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Star Trek vs Star Wars by RBL-M1A2Tanker Star Trek vs Star Wars by RBL-M1A2Tanker
I've always been a fan of crossovers like this. At least crossovers that are pulled off correctly, but I digress.

Created this with Jasc Paint Shop Pro and Ulead PhotoImpact. It was this hodgepodge piece that I started to learn some of the more intermediate skills of Paint Shop Pro, using layers, opacity, properties, creative lighting and so on.

Again used several images to create this.

Edit: There is to be no fanwanking about the various technical details about how this side can do this and that side can't, or vice versa. They are two different universes and they need not conform to one another. I don't want a debate on the merits of either side and I am not going to entertain one. If I see a comment heading into that territory, I'm going to ignore it and hide the comment. This image is purely theoretical and fun, that is all. Accept it as such, or move on.
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BOBSZY Featured By Owner Mar 27, 2010
Cool!

Star Wars is done for. ;p
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JosunTomoro Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2009
From the visuals of space combat in Star Wars and Star Trek, that link has it right. (I like how Mamimum Effective range gets repeated :)

BTW, I love the picture. I also want to state something interesting.

I learned this by reading Wikipedia(cant remeber if this was the franchise wiki page for SW or something else) But the EU is, to Lucas, considered to be more Sub-Cannon then cannon (comparable to the ST books which are supposedly NOT cannon unless there recounting actual episodes)

Lucas's vision for Star Wars begins with Episode I and ends with Episode VI. To Lucas, thats where his story, his vision of SW ends. The Emp dies, and Peace and good win. YAY!!

Anywho, the Expanded Universe is called such because it is NOT Lucas's universe. He lets people take his ideals and expand upon it, but they arent considered CANNON to lucas.

Personally, I think we should have asked Rodenberry and Lucas to make a movie together before Rodenberry died that would finish it once and for all by having something completely unexpected happen :)
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RBL-M1A2Tanker Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2009
What link do you speak of?
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JosunTomoro Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2009
Im fairly certain its hiding somewhere in this wiki page.

[link]

I mightve worded it wrong. I think the ideal is that the movies are the straight goods cannon, while anything past that is gradually open to interpreation... FOUND IT!!

"There are two worlds here," explained Lucas. "There’s my world, which is the movies, and there’s this other world that has been created, which I say is the parallel universe – the licensing world of the books, games and comic books. They don’t intrude on my world, which is a select period of time, [but] they do intrude in between the movies. I don’t get too involved in the parallel universe."

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STARLOG: "The Star Wars Universe is so large and diverse. Do you ever find yourself confused by the subsidiary material that's in the novels, comics, and other offshoots?"
LUCAS: "I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions."

and another one,

TOTAL FILM: "Are you happy for new Star Wars tales to be told after you're gone?"
LUCAS: "I've left pretty explicit instructions for there not to be any more features. There will definitely be no Episodes VII-IX. That's because there isn't any story. I mean, I never thought of anything. And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn't at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..."

Basically, those three statements right there essentially nullify the cannonity of anything outside the movies and the TV shows Lucas is working on. Sorta, depends on your perspcetive
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RBL-M1A2Tanker Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2009
Actually there's much more detail to follow here in regards to what's canon and whats not in Star Wars: [link] That article goes into more depth specifically in regards to George Lucas and Star Wars canon.

A quick excerpt:
Lucas' statements in Starlog were commented on in a December 7, 2005 post on the starwars.com forums by Leland Chee, who maintains Lucas Licensing's continuity database:

CHEE: "GL is certainly not bound by the EU, though he's certainly open to using things created in it (Aayla Secura and the Coruscant name, for example). On the other hand, the quote you provide makes it sound like the EU is separate from George's vision of the Star Wars universe. It is not. The EU must follow certain tenets set by George through the films and other guidelines that he provides outside of the films."


Lucas's statements don't contradict/nullify anything really. He's speaking on the story of Anakin Skywalker, which is what the 6 films were about, his story. And when Lucas was finished with that, well, as he said, the story was done. For him, he's told his story, but he knows that there's thousands of other stories taking place at the same time, and he's ok with that.

Which makes a certain amount of sense to be honest.
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Cymraige Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2009
*insert Trekkie Uber-ship nonsense vs Death Star* Watch BOTH universes die! Mwuahahahahahahahahahah!


Ok, maybe a bit carried away on that one. . .
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RBL-M1A2Tanker Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2009
Maaaybe a little bit. ;p
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Rancor1401 Featured By Owner May 8, 2009  Hobbyist General Artist
worthy battle. id be putting money on star destroyer in the background
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RBL-M1A2Tanker Featured By Owner May 9, 2009
It could go either way at this point.
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kimberlyanntaylor Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2009
wow this is great, very nice compilation, makes sense that the feds would team up with the rebels to fight the empire. nice work.
i was just reading Cymraige comments on fed vessels weapon ranges, i don't know about star wars weapon ranges, but there is ceratinly a lot of examples in trek of such large ranges. i don't know whether you've come across this site before [link]
theres plenty of evidence to support those there, all using 100 percent canon evidence and well researched data. interesting reading anyhow.
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RBL-M1A2Tanker Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2009
I have seen that site. Both sides weapons have a very long range, but people make the mistake that in Star Wars, only that which is on film = canon. That is not true. For Star Trek that is definitely true. Star Wars includes the books, games, comics, and so on.

So yea, both sides have really long ranges for their weapon systems. But my original statements to Cymraige still holds, that even with advanced technology it's not feasible or possible to accurately maintain a coherent beam over X distance. In order to maintain such a beam one would need to have a massive power source to keep it stable and still capable of packing a punch at the end (if it truly has a max range of over several hundred kilometers). There's also the other, silly little catch. Gene Roddenberry frequently tossed out things that were canon in the previous series, even previous episodes of a current series. So canon in Star Trek is a very...flexible...term to say the least.

Finally, while the site does a commendable job of comparing ranges, there's still nothing for either side from reputable sources as to the actual true effective combat range of weapon systems either in Star Trek or Star Wars. Which really makes the entire comparison impossible to accurately debate. Besides, it's...well, it's silly to debate it in the first place. People get wound up over it.

I look at it this way...I like both series, I know a lot about both series, I can extrapolate a pretty cool scenario that works for both sides, start putting the elements together to fit the scenario in my mind and boom...the image rocks!

At least in my mind. :D
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kimberlyanntaylor Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2009
hehe, it certainly is a silly debate, no matter what trekkies and warsies say, the two universes and tech systems are so different from each other that it's impossible to make a fair comparrisson.
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RBL-M1A2Tanker Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2009
You can compare all you want, but really, you're better off trying to balance them out. For example, I say that Star Wars capital ships are larger, are faster (hyperdrives), they pack a lot of punch and can take some serious pounding. Star Trek ships are a bit more nimble, more varied, more powerful sensors and more powerful computer systems.

I kind of liken it to being Star Wars having lots of brute force power, while Trek has lots of precision and adaptability. In that light, they compare more favorably.

Cept the hyperdrive thing, that's a pretty tough one to top. Not even transwarp drive, technically speaking, appears to be as fast.
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kimberlyanntaylor Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2009
that's certainly true; i'd agree with that; to compare their actual physical abilities, rather than their weapon power and their shield strengths etc are. As with what i said before, different tech systems, there's no way to know how the weapons of one will affect the other.
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RBL-M1A2Tanker Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2009
Well, that's not entirely true. We know enough, from documented sources on both sides, of what their various weapons can do. And there are the same types of weapons on both sides, such as disruptors and I believe mass drivers. Ion cannons, for example, clearly state that they disrupt circuitry and disable a craft. Would be pretty devastating to Trek ships.

It's just being fair and impartial to both sides without getting too indepth and silly about it. I mean, seriously, should one be looking at an image like this and go, "The energy to range ratio isn't correct for that ship.." etc, etc? That'd be nuts. @_@
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mariaco Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2009
I'm in full support of the Federation.

Excellent pic by the way.
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RBL-M1A2Tanker Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2009
Thanks. :)
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Taggerung1 Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
Very cool.
I notice the Marvin the Martian emblem on the A-Wing in the upper left corner. lol.
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RBL-M1A2Tanker Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2008
Marvin gets around. :D
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Taggerung1 Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2009  Hobbyist Artist
To quote Teal'c, "Indeed."
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Generalfoley Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2008  Student Writer
The Great War... has begun!
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starnut93 Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2007   Writer
Do any of you even know whats in a Photon
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RBL-M1A2Tanker Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2007
A better question is, "Does it really matter in this particular situation?"

The answer is a resounding "no." ;p
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skunk419 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2007
wait, why do those tie interceptors in the bottom right corner have rebel insignias?

nethertheless, i think it's pretty obvious SW would snap.
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RBL-M1A2Tanker Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2007
That's because they work for the Rebels. :D
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A10Jockey Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
There was a book where a group of TIE Interceptor Pilots defected and painted rebel insignias over top of the imperial navy's roundel. 
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skunk419 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2007
oh.

well now I just feel stupid.
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RBL-M1A2Tanker Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2007
Could be worse...you could be naked on the sidewalk or something really O_O like that. So it's no worries. :D
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skunk419 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2007
I had a dream like that once.

enough said.

good pic. rebels teamed up with empire is sure to kick ass.
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RBL-M1A2Tanker Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2007
Actually it's Rebels teamed up with the Federation against the Empire. ;p
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skunk419 Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2007
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I suppose it makes more sense, yet, the federation isn't much next to the rebels or the empire.
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RBL-M1A2Tanker Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2007
That's a matter of personal opinion really, and people get too biased and angry for a good discussion on that. So I just don't go there. ;p
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commando-havok Featured By Owner May 21, 2007
This battle is going to be over REALLY quickly. Especially considering the Corellian Corvette's guns are equal (if not more powerful than) the torpedoes and phasers on the Star Trek ships.
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RBL-M1A2Tanker Featured By Owner May 21, 2007
Maybe...maybe not. I lean towards not being over that quickly. But that's just me. ;)
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commando-havok Featured By Owner May 21, 2007
Now that I think about it, it might not be over quite so quickly: There are 5 Trek capital ships, and only two Wars ones (if you count the Correlian Corvette as a CapShip). It would still be a total slaughter, though!
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A10Jockey Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
The Correlian Corvette or CR-90 is considered a capitol ship and most likely the lightest and smallest Capitol Ship.
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